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Being expected to create themes before user stories seems counter-intuitive. I don't know what themes I want when I have just started, I just want to add user stories that I know about already.

Gary Lester 9 years ago updated by Matthew O'Riordan (Founder) 9 years ago 2
Allow me to add stories first and then associate themes with them, not themes first.

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Hi Gary

Whilst I can appreciate that you don't necessarily think in themes at first, the entire interface revolves around the fact that you associate stories with themes at the outset.  

Could you not just add a theme called General and file all stories under that, and later on move them into the themes you set up?

Also, as a work around solution on our side, if we added an Add story button that is visible when you first set up a backlog (right now that does not appear until a theme is created), would you be happy for that Add story button to simply set up a generic theme and add the first story into that?  Would that suffice?

Matt
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Hi Gary

Whilst I can appreciate that you don't necessarily think in themes at first, the entire interface revolves around the fact that you associate stories with themes at the outset.  

Could you not just add a theme called General and file all stories under that, and later on move them into the themes you set up?

Also, as a work around solution on our side, if we added an Add story button that is visible when you first set up a backlog (right now that does not appear until a theme is created), would you be happy for that Add story button to simply set up a generic theme and add the first story into that?  Would that suffice?

Matt
Hi Matt

Does your model necessitate associating a story to a theme straight away? Ideally I would want to be able to create stories. Once I have a list of them I would look a the list and work out which theme to put them into.

If you automatically put them into a generic theme then it seems like unnecessary steps are involved since I would then have to change the theme or move stories to a different theme when I am ready.

If it is difficult for you to not link to themes then I can live with Add button associating stories to generic theme but I would suggest that most people using this product will hit the same issue which is they are not quite ready for themes when they are adding stories. Most of the time my stories come from workshops and they are captured without thought to theme since the Business stakeholders generate them. I normally capture them as a mind map and then add them into a system. It is only at this point that I can look at grouping (theme) them.

cheers
Gary
Hi Gary

To be honest, you're the first person so far who has raised this as a problem.  I can appreciate how you work though, and not thinking about themes at the outset is certainly a reasonable request.  

Adding an add story button is a very quick fix, and we'll schedule that in.  Allowing a story to be added directly to a backlog and not a theme is a big change and would require significant work.  If a few more people ask for that then we'll definitely address it, but at this stage we have to put our focus on features that most people are asking for.  I hope you understand.

Thanks for the feedback, it's greatly appreciated.